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HEMISFEAR
11-24-08, 08:40.29 AM
Thomas Jefferson:

1. My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

2. Information is the currency of democracy.

3. If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest.

4. I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.

5. I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

6. I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

7. I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.

8. I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.

9. I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.

10. I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

11. I have no fear that the result of our experiment will be that men may be trusted to govern themselves without a master.

12. I have no ambition to govern men; it is a painful and thankless office.

13. I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind.

14. History, in general, only informs us of what bad government is.

15. Force is the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism.

16. For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.

17. Experience hath shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

18. Every generation needs a new revolution.

19. Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.

20. Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.

21. Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

22. Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government.

23. Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.

24. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

25. All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

26. A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

27. A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

28. A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.

29. My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

30. No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

markus
11-24-08, 08:43.16 AM
damn shame how most americans shit on not only the principles our founding fathers have built this country upon but as the constitution as well. x10000000 on #1. we're way too big.

freemaSSon
11-24-08, 08:43.28 AM
HE WAS A DEVOTED ATHEIST!!!!!!!!

i love the guy, not only an AGNOSTIC (better description for his beliefs than the often assigned atheist) but a COMMITED FREEMASON....

a truely forward thinking person and is propably more responsible than any 1 singular person for the structure of our govt.

DragginWagon
11-24-08, 04:13.32 PM
Are you agonstic as well?

freemaSSon
11-24-08, 04:18.57 PM
Are you agonstic as well?

ESOTERIC CHRISTIAN.....

too much dogma that has gotten in the way and most of what was, has been lost by man MUDDLING it up with his own thoughts.....most has lost the INSPIRATION that created it.....

most all beliefs have been so doluted in that sense. the most PRESERVED THOUGHTS OF INSPIRATION in the world are those of the far east....

I'm a huge fan of all things eastern as far as religious and inspirational thought......

i recently got me a HUGE stack of Joseph Campbell....KICKASS reading if your are into OPEN MINDED and THOUGHT PROVOKING discourse.....

but Jefferson was WAY BEYOND HIS TIMES - no doubt there....

HEMISFEAR
11-24-08, 05:20.07 PM
ESOTERIC CHRISTIAN.....

too much dogma that has gotten in the way and most of what was, has been lost by man MUDDLING it up with his own thoughts.....most has lost the INSPIRATION that created it.....

most all beliefs have been so doluted in that sense. the most PRESERVED THOUGHTS OF INSPIRATION in the world are those of the far east....

I'm a huge fan of all things eastern as far as religious and inspirational thought......

i recently got me a HUGE stack of Joseph Campbell....KICKASS reading if your are into OPEN MINDED and THOUGHT PROVOKING discourse.....

but Jefferson was WAY BEYOND HIS TIMES - no doubt there....

Very interesting. I've never looked into Esoteric Christianity. I've been raised an orthodox Christian as in Greece/Serbia which is heavily steeped in tradition. Personally, I believe the bible is not to be taken literally...but to each his own. The crux of the religion is what's important and the Golden Rule is found in some way in most religions.

DragginWagon
11-24-08, 05:37.58 PM
Well I am Agnostic, just have no need for any sort of religion.

PWRtrip
11-24-08, 05:44.28 PM
brought up as a "Holy Roller"..Preacher would talk about the one amongst us who questioned our faith....new it was me at a very young age:rolleyes:
They were good people,just dont like the idea that you cant question just blindly believe.(most religions)

btw firm believer in "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

freemaSSon
11-25-08, 01:17.32 PM
my personal beliefs are in the teaching of 1st century judea, IE THE CHRISTIAN ERA....

man created christianity not JESUS the NAZARENE, and in that era there was a sect within Judea that where ESOTERIC JEWS and many many many of the current leading 1st century experts believe it to be the sect from which Jesus was affiliated. (good reading Dr. Bart Ehrman - he has stacks but i recommend you start with "Misquoting Jesus")

and here are some interesting HHHMMMMMS!!

Josephus the MOST WIDELY ACCEPTED and MOST PROLIFIC 1st century chronicler and he only mentions Jesus as "A NAZERENE" and not "OF NAZARETH" and he also ONLY mentions the individual "Jesus" a few handful of times, where he mentions "JOHN THE BAPTIST" hundreds of times...

and in the first century the understanding and definition of "MESSIAH" was absolutely nothing close to modern MUDDLED UP RELIGIOUS BELIEF.....it was assigned to every person of power meaning that the power was devinely ascribed....

HEROD
PILATE
JOHN THE BAPTIST

you guessed it were ALL SEEN AS MESSIAHs


so here in, is where i form my beliefs, in that you must believe in something, and i chose to believe in INSPIRATION and COLLECTIVE GOOD as opposed to IMPOSSIBLE BAD.....everything is HALF FULL and never HALF EMPTY.....

my goal in life is to ALWAYS learn more and never ever close my mind to you or your contributions to our discourse and i will always entertain the possibility that your perspective beats my perspective and as such then becomes my perspective...

there are NO TOTAL TRUTHS in my eyes beyond life and death.....we were all born and we will all die.....past that it is NOT BLACK AND WHITE TO ME....i have lots of beliefs and sometimes my own beliefs are at odds with each other....that is when my SELFISH HUMAN NATURE overrides my wish to do good to all people.....but occassionally my selfish side says ME FIRST this time....

INSPIRATION ACCORDING TO FREE-AZZ

uGOTmale2day
11-25-08, 01:22.43 PM
texans=cult members

freemaSSon
11-25-08, 01:23.55 PM
texans=cult members

short and to the point....WANNA JOIN?

pat'SSbride
11-25-08, 01:27.44 PM
Hey JJ cum join my clit oops I mean cult.........

uGOTmale2day
11-25-08, 01:29.46 PM
im now officially horn-ayyyyy!!!!

i could spend a good 1/2 hr right now on a nice clit!

pat'SSbride
11-25-08, 01:45.50 PM
Hell 1/2hr is that all you got???????????

freemaSSon
11-25-08, 01:46.32 PM
JJ = Bishop in the House of Clit within the Church of the Feminine!!!!!!!!!

HEMISFEAR
11-25-08, 02:05.59 PM
Pretty cool stuff...but Jesus was such a nice guy no?

freemaSSon
11-25-08, 02:09.39 PM
and his teachings were without a doubt the best collection of MORALISTIC and RESPECT for your neighbors of all time....

my only question is how much of it was original thought and how much was inherited from others as in from "John the Baptist"

Dr. Ehrman is a very interesting author on 1st century Judea.....google Bart Ehrman and read a little on the guy....my favorite religious author bar none....

but i have recently picked up a stack of Joseph Campbell as well...

freemaSSon
11-25-08, 02:16.18 PM
HAHAHA....

gotta love the internet - JEFFERSON to JESUS........

HEMISFEAR
03-23-10, 08:40.57 PM
bump for more opinions...?

mikes'ss
03-23-10, 08:58.31 PM
i still agree with marcus

Derek
03-23-10, 11:32.36 PM
I'm scared and I think thats a good thing on the government issue and no comment on the religion although my grandfather was a freemason they are super secretive.......just never really got into the religion thing as an adult,might be cause of all the yellin southern baptist crap run down my throat at an early age.....Damn democrats!!!!